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  5 Jehovah's Witnesses Die in Plane Crash

  by Kenneson in

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  a report from zambia, africa relates that 6 persons died, including 5 believed to be jehovah's witnesses in a chartered plane crash near livingstone.

  they had just toured victoria falls and were returning to lusaka, when the plane developed problems and crashed.

  a zambian newspaper says it was an oil leak.

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  Beacause he's probably tired of speaking to guttless Bavarian wonders? I have no idea.
  
  But I'm awfully glad to know that god has sent someone like you to right the wrongs this day. Isn't there some sort of pacifist march youre late for?
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  5 Jehovah's Witnesses Die in Plane Crash

  by Kenneson in

  1. social
  2. current

  a report from zambia, africa relates that 6 persons died, including 5 believed to be jehovah's witnesses in a chartered plane crash near livingstone.

  they had just toured victoria falls and were returning to lusaka, when the plane developed problems and crashed.

  a zambian newspaper says it was an oil leak.

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  GermanXJW -
  
  Question: Do neo-fascists have the right to spread their message too?
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  5 Jehovah's Witnesses Die in Plane Crash

  by Kenneson in

  1. social
  2. current

  a report from zambia, africa relates that 6 persons died, including 5 believed to be jehovah's witnesses in a chartered plane crash near livingstone.

  they had just toured victoria falls and were returning to lusaka, when the plane developed problems and crashed.

  a zambian newspaper says it was an oil leak.

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  Skally is right. Some of the most venomous individuals I have ever encountered were JW's. I too have bantered back and forth with JW's -- in person and on chat and message boards. It is not uncommon to hear them spewing a "I can't wait until Jehovah wipes you people out" rebuttal.
  
  I know not all JW's are like this, but then you understand that the rank and file JW will shun innocent family members, force his or hear children to die when a blood transfusion is available, and passsively support an organization that hides child rapist/molesters, I find little sympahty for their demise.
  
  While I cannot say I am glad these JW's are dead, I will say that it we will never know how many people have been spared being snared into this organization and having their lives ruined because of this ill fated "tragedy."
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  5 Jehovah's Witnesses Die in Plane Crash

  by Kenneson in

  1. social
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  a report from zambia, africa relates that 6 persons died, including 5 believed to be jehovah's witnesses in a chartered plane crash near livingstone.

  they had just toured victoria falls and were returning to lusaka, when the plane developed problems and crashed.

  a zambian newspaper says it was an oil leak.

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  dh - I agree wholeheartedly! If we were talking about 5 nazis being killed in a plane crash I'm sure no one would object to such vile talk.
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  Jw's and Freemasons

  by aniron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been going through my wt 2003 and 1995 cd-rom's looking for articles on the freemasons in any wt publication.. there doesn't seem to be much from 1950 onwards only basically passing references.. but there are 8 references from 1930 to 1958 all in the awake magazine.

  which of course are not on the cd's.. does anyone know what these articles are.. especially an article in the awake 22nd march 1958 which was 4 pages long.

  long shot i know.

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  I happen to be a Master Mason in Freemasonry and while I cannot tell you the intimate details of what goes on in our rituals, I can say without a doubt that there is no use of skulls or bones (although those are used by Knights of Columbus) and we do not invoke any spirits, good or bad. In fact, there is no worship of any sort, save for a prayer or two to God, much like what you would have before a football game or group dinner meeting. There also is no ceremonial magic practiced, nothing supernatural or occult. Witchcraft has no place in Freemasonry and there are no spells or hexes put on anyone. There is a lot of misinformation and outright lies published about Freemasons by individuals who have a grudge against the fraternal organization and that is what many individuals mistakenly run into when they research our brotherhood.
  I'd love to say we have magical powers and secretly run the universe -- but it just aint so.
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  Ever met high ranking JW and felt uneasy

  by AlanB in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this came up in another topic and feel it needs a topic of its own.

  does anyone else have experiences of meeting (cant use the word 'brothers')men from high up in the borg and felt uneasy about it.. alanb wrote.

  i was at twickenham many years ago (about 20) and went to the admin area to get info about serving where the need was great (great plan that turned out to be) anyway there were two elderly yet autstere brothers standing at the steps to the main office area looking as though they owned the place, they had a real air of seniority and importance about them, i have no idea who they were, yet sense they were senior one was english the other american.. .

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  I for one believe this poor woman. In fact, I saw lizard people on several occasions! The last time being when I was a teenager! Me and two JW friends would get stoned in their bedroom that overlooked an overgrown weed garden in the backyard. We'd sit on old bound volumes of watchtower magazines because their dad, who was an elder, felt that since nowher in the bible does it mention chairs then it was most likely against Jehovah's divine will for our backsides to reside in worldly comfort. We had to drink out of clay cups too, made from the mud outside the window and baked in an EZ-bake oven, but that's another story. I digress... You see, at the time, we were smoking some really high grade Columbian. It was the kind of stuff that made contemplating lint on a lightbulb a deeply philosophical event. That day we were singing kingdom songs and using yellow markers to underline the answers in the next week's WT and smoking this wonderful stuff, when out of the blue my buddie's sleeping bag started to vibrate and the hair on our heads stood on end. Ina flash, the late Nathan Knorr floated down from the ceiing, right before our eyes -- arms extended and his legs bicycling wildly in the air. His fingers were long and scaly and dripped of cherry-vanilla yogurt and his suit had a reduced price tag hanging from the lapel. His hair was slicked back and smelled of Crisco and his eyes were reptillian. His tongue darted in and out of his mouth like a serpent. He was right freaky looking and I kept wondering how he could take up so little space in such a small room and, how we were going to explain away the hole this most reverent dude had made in the ceiling. Well, ol' spooky Knoor got real close to us and we could smell the fire and brimstone on his breath. He was quite a sight to behold and I admit I wanted to have a kodak moment but knew I couldnt even find the door, let alone my buddy's polaroid instamatic. So I just sat there, watching Brother Knorr hover closer and closer until, like a thundercloud in a quiet meadow, he said, "Underline only the good stuff, me buckos -- only the good stuff!" And then he grinned this horrible, grotesque grin and laughed a laugh befitting Old Hickory himself, and he was off! Back through the hole in the ceiling he went, leaving only a cloud of smoke and a smell of sulphur. That was the last time I smoked anything foreign and I even changed from yellow marker to purple. I've not seen Brother Knorr since, thank god.
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  When you read what else are you doing?

  by Panda in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok usually i'll be drinking iced tea when i read... sometime coffee if i read in the am.

  i've tried reading while mr.panda is watching tv but that doesn't always work.

  so what do you do while you read?

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  I sigh and make all sorts of quiet gestures since my wife doesnt read as fast I do and wont turn the page as quickly as I'd like.
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  its just me ,,,,

  by looking-4-the-truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how are you ... and hope everyone is good.

  anyways, i'm a muslim guy and i live in the states ,,, i do love living in here ,,, and my wife is christain " mormon " ,,,,,,,,,,, .

  and i'd love to discuse with one of you about the bible ,,,,,,, .

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  And dont forget -- the Muslims invaded Europe -- which is one of the raasons why the Crusades happened in the first place.
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  its just me ,,,,

  by looking-4-the-truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how are you ... and hope everyone is good.

  anyways, i'm a muslim guy and i live in the states ,,, i do love living in here ,,, and my wife is christain " mormon " ,,,,,,,,,,, .

  and i'd love to discuse with one of you about the bible ,,,,,,, .

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  jgnat --
  
  Perhaps youre right and I hope so, but I something tells me your wrong. Can't put a finger on why I feel that way....
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  Conversation Starters

  by kwintestal in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  currently i find it very difficult to discuss the jw organization with my wife.

  once i made my position known to her, her super "apostate senses" kicked in and there became a brick wall.

  i know why, heck 2 years ago i would have built the same wall myself, and then put barbed wire around the top.

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  Many years ago I read a book on the psychology of cults. I'm sorry I can't remember the name of the book or the author, but it stated that cult members have 2 personalities: 1.) the cult personality, and 2.) their real personality.
  
  I notice w/my mother who is still in the cult, when she's in her real personality she will talk about things she normally wouldnt -- and she's happier too (go figure, huh? LOL). Usually this happens when my father is sick and she's been unable to attend meetings for a while.
  
  If you can catch your wife in her normal personality maybe you can ask her some questions or suggest things to her that you normally wouldnt be able to.
  
  Also -- and I have no idea what you do for a living or your lifestyle -- but JW's are tuaught that ex-JW's fail more because Jeerkhovah has abandoned them. If you're in a business where you can advance in your career or make more money, in short -- VISIBLY succeed more -- it may help dispell the judgemental attitutude your wife has been programmed to use. Anything that puts you in a better light will dispel the myths the WT throw out about ex-JW's. One time my father told me I failed more after I left the cult because Jerkhovah was angry with me (I'm in sales). After that conversation I doubled up on my sales activities and proved him wrong. Now he just scratches his head becasue he can't figure out how I do it minus "god's" direction.
  
  Hope these ideas help. I'm half asleep so forgive the typos, please.